SMC/AtomicChilluIsUnacceptable: Difference between revisions

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3. All these arguments were once considered and rejected by UTC and the only new argument in support of atomic chillus is the issue of missing domain names in IDN. The examples given in 1) can't be considered real as these are contrived just to make a case for atomic chillus. Even if were real it is similar to case folding in Latin (You can't register two sites PenIsland.com and PenisLand.com). How can already rejected proposal be accepted when the new arguments in supports is not only proved to be real, but creates a lot of new chaos and security problems.

4. ~~This~~ will create dual encoding and makes URL spoofing very easy.

4. Introducing atomic chillus will create dual encoding and makes URL spoofing very easy. This has already been illustrated with the following examples .

http://റാല്‍മിനോവ്.blogspot.com (using chillu joiner sequence)

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8. Using virama with chillus is linguistically incorrect (function of virama is to create vowel-less and you can't use it with a chillu or pure consonant because these are already vowel-less forms of the underlying consonants)

9. Everybody knows that there was no consensus reached in the discussion in indic@unicode.org mailing list and still the problem is controversial. Another thing is even though the new changes will have a major impact on the ~~langauge~~ technology, the linguistics and language experts in Malayalam is not at all aware of the facts. We would like to start a process ~~there by explaining~~ the pros and cons to the language experts and getting ~~the~~ opinion in this matter. So any hurry on adding new code points will have bad ~~impacts~~.

9. Everybody knows that there was no consensus reached in the discussion in indic@unicode.org mailing list and still the problem is controversial. Another thing is even though the new changes will have a major impact on the language technology, the linguistics and language experts in Malayalam is not at all aware of the facts. We doubt that language experts/authorities accepted by the public were given an explanation of what Unicode is and what the atomic chillu proposal is about. Only some ivory-tower discussions among some academicians were carried out and even those has reached the conclusions that there is no particular necessity for atomic chillus. Even among the IT literate Malayalees (people who use Malayalam on a regular basis) only a handful know the Unicode representation of Malayalam and issues surrounding it .We would like to start a process which explains the pros and cons to the language experts and getting their opinion in this matter. So any hurry on adding new code points will , in our opinion , be ill-informed and will have a bad impact on the future of the language .

10. The document http://www.rachanamalayalam.org/docs/ChilluEncodingIsWrong.pdf already questioned the new code points and there was no satisfactory reply from the people who proposed atomic chillu.

We strongly oppose including ~~this~~ characters in the standard as it not only fail to solve all the problems with joiner it creates lots of new problems and the need for providing backward compatibility will produce more chaos in encoding chillus.

Malayalam has already gone through a round of mutilation during the typewriter reform era. We know that the means provided by current computing platforms can resurrect the language and its script and restore its former beauty . If such hurried and ill informed moves are taken instead of careful and well thought out ones , we will be murdering the language instead of resurrecting it.

We strongly oppose including these characters in the standard as it not only fail to solve all the problems with joiner it creates lots of new problems and the need for providing backward compatibility will produce more chaos in encoding chillus.

Swathanthara Malayalam Computing

http://www.smc.org.in

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 . All these arguments were once considered and rejected by UTC and the only new argument in support of atomic chillus is the issue of missing domain names in IDN. The examples given in 1) can't be considered real as these are contrived just to make a case for atomic chillus. Even if were real it is similar to case folding in Latin (You can't register two sites PenIsland.com and PenisLand.com). How can already rejected proposal be accepted when the new arguments in supports is not only proved to be real, but creates a lot of new chaos and security problems.
-. This will create dual encoding and makes URL spoofing very easy.
+. Introducing atomic chillus will create dual encoding and makes URL spoofing very easy. This has already been illustrated with the following examples .
 http://റാല്‍മിനോവ്.blogspot.com (using chillu joiner sequence)
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 . Using virama with chillus is linguistically incorrect (function of virama is to create vowel-less and you can't use it with a chillu or pure consonant because these are already vowel-less forms of the underlying consonants)
-. Everybody knows that there was no consensus reached in the discussion in indic@unicode.org mailing list and still the problem is controversial. Another thing is even though the new changes will have a major impact on the langauge technology, the linguistics and language experts in Malayalam is not at all aware of the facts. We would like to start a process there by explaining the pros and cons to the language experts and getting the opinion in this matter. So any hurry on adding new code points will have bad impacts.
+. Everybody knows that there was no consensus reached in the discussion in indic@unicode.org mailing list and still the problem is controversial. Another thing is even though the new changes will have a major impact on the language technology, the linguistics and language experts in Malayalam is not at all aware of the facts. We doubt that language experts/authorities accepted by the public were given an explanation of what Unicode is and what the atomic chillu proposal is about. Only some ivory-tower discussions among some academicians were carried out and even those has reached the conclusions that there is no particular necessity for atomic chillus. Even among the IT literate Malayalees (people who use Malayalam on a regular basis) only a handful know the Unicode representation of Malayalam and issues surrounding it .We would like to start a process which explains the pros and cons to the language experts and getting their opinion in this matter. So any hurry on adding new code points will , in our opinion , be ill-informed and will have a bad impact on the future of the language .
 . The document http://www.rachanamalayalam.org/docs/ChilluEncodingIsWrong.pdf already questioned the new code points and there was no satisfactory reply from the people who proposed atomic chillu.
-We strongly oppose including this characters in the standard as it not only fail to solve all the problems with joiner it creates lots of new problems and the need for providing backward compatibility will produce more chaos in encoding chillus.
+Malayalam has already gone through a round of mutilation during the typewriter reform era. We know that the means provided by current computing platforms can resurrect the language and its script and restore its former beauty . If such hurried and ill informed moves are taken instead of careful and well thought out ones , we will be murdering the language instead of resurrecting it.
+We strongly oppose including these characters in the standard as it not only fail to solve all the problems with joiner it creates lots of new problems and the need for providing backward compatibility will produce more chaos in encoding chillus.
 Swathanthara Malayalam Computing
 http://www.smc.org.in